Horne's Feb 11, 1998 "memo of conscience":
I asked Doug at Q and A time about how the Parkland doctors
finally did get questioned. I did not think they were deposed
but the transcript I got of this at the Lancer conference states
they were. So, maybe they were. (Note: the "uncorrected"
copy of the Parkland Doctors' transcript was given to JFK Lancer
Horne responded that he and Gunn were allies for many years
but had a falling out over the Parkland doctors. David Marwell
did not have faith with the descriptions of the wounds by the
Parkland doctors noting the discrepancies in the wounds so that
was the initial hesitation. But Gunn was curious about their
statements, so that's how Horne and Gunn bonded for awhile.
Horne waited, being told maybe the Board would depose the
doctors later. After two and a half years, Horne wrote a long,
substantial memo on why the Parkland doctors should be deposed
and gave it to Gunn. Gunn wanted Horne to await permission to
write this memo and was very displeased that Horne had written
this memo at all. Horne declined to wait and asked Gunn why they
couldn't give it to the Board now. Gunn choose not to.
Later, Tunheim stated that any staff member could talk to
any Board member about anything they wanted, so then the gloves
were off. Horne did not feel restrained by the chain of command.
Horne then gave the memo to Tunheim but Tunheim never got back
Horne granted that a hell of a lot was going on toward the
end of the Board's existence. On July 31, 1998 the Board released
their medical depositions and other materials so that was when
the world noticed that the Board did not depose the Parkland
doctors. (Horne gave credit to David Lifton as being the engineer
of this fax and letter writing campaign to get the Board to depose
the Parkland doctors. A lot of other people helped on this cause
too.) This effort resulted in the Board having a conference call
very shortly afterwards. Horne was later told by Laura Denk,
the then and last chief counsel, that on technical merits the
Board would prefer not to hold the depositions but because of
public pressure they decided to go ahead.
(Sorry, folks but I am going to take some credit here. It
was at an open meeting of the ARRB that Horne himself told me
to raise hell about the fact that the Board did not depose any
Parkland people and I certainly sent out an email (circulated by JFK Lancer)
to that effect while I was still in Washington D.C. I called my parents and
had them type up an email that I was dictating to them. I was
on a phone at Archives II. This is a great victory for the research
community that we got the Board to act when they did not want
Initially, two doctors agreed to come to Washington. Then one
didn't want to, and he changed the mind of the other, so neither
came. Horne went to Ron Haron and said this was unacceptable,
"We have to get them to Washington and get them to see the
autopsy pictures and X-rays." "What was the condition
of the body when it left Texas?'" is the central question.
"Everything else has been asked." Well, Mr. Haron didn't
seem to get it, he didn't think it was a big deal.
Haron thought Tilley could arrange the viewing of the autopsy
material. Horne said no, it wasn't going to be that easy. So
Haron got five of the Parkland people to agree to be deposed
in Dallas and called Tilley. Horne thinks Tilley was a little
miffed -- "Why are you coming to me at the last minute?"
-- kind of thing. Tilley dug in his heels and put the burden
for making the arrangements back upon the Board.
Horne knows that Tunheim called Burke Marshall at least once.
Horne was not privy to that phone call but the result was a "No."
Horne could not understand this as Humes and Boswell were given
subpoenas when they did not want to corporate. The same thing
happened with Custer and Reed when they stated they were scared
of the government. They all came to Washington. The total bullshit
excuse given to Horne by at least two ARRB personnel as to why
Parkland people were not given subpoenas was that the subpoena
would only be good within 100 miles and only requires the person
to travel 100 miles and they might not show up. What the hell
kind of explanation is this? Finck came from Switzerland! Humes
and Boswell were obviously not aware of the 100 mile rule because
they showed up. A federal subpoena under the banner of the Department
of Justice should compel anyone to show up. This was nonsense.
And, most importantly if subpoenaed, there would have been no
permission required of Burke Marshall.
When Doug was in the office of George Lardner, Lardner called
Steve Tilley about the Parkland depositions. Lardner repeated
aloud the answers Tilley gave. Steve Tilley bragged to George
Lardner that "I am the one who kept those photos from going
Horne repeated: Lardner recited what Tilley said aloud, so
in a way, it's hearsay and not direct knowledge. And already
there are three versions of this story. It's now kind of similar
to "How did JFK pick LBJ for Vice President?" A mystery
that everyone is disagreeing about. [I believe Horne.] Horne
said the whole thing was not done the way he would have done
Lifton added that Jeremy Gunn had a memo that was originally
in the materials released in July '98 as a justification for
why the Parkland people were not deposed but this was removed.
Lifton said there were people on the Board who said,
"I don't care where the President's wounds were,"
"I don't care either. Why do we have to do this?"
So the Board, responding to public pressure, had to hire someone
to do the depositions. Regretfully, they choose Gunn, who was
opposed to it in the first place.
Part 5: AN AFTERWORD BY DOUG
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