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The Horne Presentation, part 2a


Now the description of the wounds dramatically changes at Bethesda. Horne showed a page from the autopsy protocol, and read from it, (MD3 p.3)
"There is a large irregular defect of the scalp and skull on the right involving chiefly the parietal bone but extending somewhat into the temporal and occipital regions, in this region there is an actual absence of scalp and bone producing a defect which measures approximately 13 centimeters in greatest diameter."

Horne commented, "Now there has been a big change taken place here. In Dallas the wound is in the back of the head, pretty well localized to the occipital or occipitalparietal region. Now it's chiefly in the right side of the head extending into the temporal region and the occipital region. And Dr. Humes says it's 13 centimeters in greatest diameter."

Horne showed the infamous autopsy diagram drawn by Dr. Boswell with the notation "10 by 17' [centimeters] and the word "missing."(MD 1 p.2) This is a superior view of the skull, looking down.


Horne then played an audiotape in which you hear Dr. Humes and Boswell, separately, state that this area is totally missing bone. While the tape was being readied Horne read additional comments from the autopsy protocol:


"Upon reflecting the scalp multiple complete fracture lines are seen to radiate from both the large defect at the vertex and the smaller wound at the occiput. These vary greatly in length and direction, the longest measuring approximately 19 centimeters. These result in the production of numerous fragments which vary in size from a few millimeters to 10 centimeters in greatest diameter."

"The complexity of these fractures and the fragments thus produced tax a satisfactory verbal description and are better appreciated in photographs and roentgenograms which are prepared.'"

Continuing the evidence for changes in the wounds, Horne showed the two diagrams prepared by Jerol Custer, a lateral and rear view of the head (MD 206 and 207). The cross hatch lines in the lateral diagram are areas where he said it was completely devoid of bone. The rear view shows a much larger wound than that described at Parkland.


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Custer MD 206 Custer  MD 207

Horne then went to an audiotape of David Lifton interviewing John Stringer in 1972. Horne read the important segment first.

Lifton: "Yeah, okay, well when you lifted him out was the main damage to the skull on the top or in the back?"
Stringer: "In the back."

Lifton: "In the back?"
Stringer: "In the back."

Lifton: "High in the back or lower in the back?
Stringer: "Oh, the occipital part, in the back there... [and then it's garbled ] ...up above the neck."

Lifton: "Yeah, in other words the main part of his head that was blasted away was in the occipital part of the skull?"
Stringer: "Yes, in the back part."

Lifton: "The back portion, okay. In other words there was no 5 inch hole in the top of his head?"
Stringer: "Oh, it was, some of it was blown off yeah, I mean towards out the top in the back yeah."

Lifton: "Top in the back, I see. But the top in the front was pretty, oh, I don't know, intact?"
Stringer: "Yeah, sure."

Because of the lack of time Horne wasn't able to read passages from the Humes and Boswell ARRB depositions about the 10 by 17 centimeters and how it represents missing bone and a lot of missing scalp. But these statements are recorded in the depositions and both men are unequivocal about what they wrote.

Horne then pointed out it is not just Humes and Boswell who report this huge area of missing bone and scalp. Dr. Pierre Finck reports to Brigadier General J. Blumberg February 1st, 1965 (MD 28), calling it a right, frontal parietal-occipital wound.

Horne exclaimed: "That's the whole right side of the head! That's not what was described in Dallas."

Horne then referred to Paul O'Connor's interview to the HSCA's Andrew Purdy:

"O'Connor described a defect as being in the region from the occipital around
the temporal and parietal regions,, a massive hole, no little hole.

Horne then read from another HSCA staff interview report, this time with James Curtis Jenkins:

"He said he saw a head wound in the middle temporal region back to the occipital. (MD 65 p.4)

Horne displayed 3 color coded skulls:

One depicting the wounds as described in Dallas, a wound in the occiput 5 by 7 centimeters as described by Dr. Carrico to the Warren Commission. Dr. Carrico was the only one to give a dimension in 1964.

A second skull showed the wounds as described at Bethesda. At Bethesda the wound is larger. Skull #2 was painted to show what Horne previously thought the missing bone looked like at Bethesda.

Then Doug showed skull #3. Dr. Boswell drew on a plastic skull for the ARRB an even larger hole, which does include the original wound as described by Parkland physicians. Nearly the entire top of the skull and most of the entire right side is devoid of bone and scalp. One skull showed the wounds as described in Dallas, the next as Doug thought the wounds were described at Bethesda, and the 3rd as Dr. Boswell drew it on the plastic skull, which to Doug's shock was largest of all, and far larger than anyone had previously described or drew.

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 Boswell 2

 Boswell 3

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 MD 209 Boswell 1 MD 209 Boswell 2  MD 209 Boswell 3  MD 209 Boswell 4

Horne next had some fun at Humes and Boswell's expense showing the photographs which accompanied the JAMA articles as saying their hands were describing the size of the head wound at Bethesda.

Horne then showed a statement from Dr. Fink wherein the phrase "portion of the crater" appears, saying, in other words, there was no through and through perforation of the bone. Humes said there was in his ARRB deposition. But Finck said in 1965 there was no portion of a crater. Dr. Boswell told Purdy in 1977 that only when they reinserted a fragment of bone "that came from Dallas" could you reconstruct the entrance wound, and then the massive wound in the head was immediately above that. So, what this means is when the body is received at Bethesda there is nothing but a giant hole, and only after a small fragment was inserted could someone reconsctruct what they thought was an entrance.

Horne, "So what's going on here? Is there any evidence at all that the chain of custody [of JFK's body] was interrupted? Well, there sure is. There is a lot of evidence."

Continued in part 2b: THE TWO CASKETS

Part One

Part Two a

Part Two b

Part Three

Part Four

Part Five